tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6620577442444975548.post24151304347235204..comments2023-06-30T04:55:59.469-07:00Comments on From Page to Silver Screen: Fight Club: Book/Movie ReviewPTSS/LBhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02170378760779707707noreply@blogger.comBlogger54125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6620577442444975548.post-65514458335484452282011-12-30T09:35:48.509-08:002011-12-30T09:35:48.509-08:00Jess-
Thank U! I can't wait to discuss TTSS w...Jess-<br /><br />Thank U! I can't wait to discuss TTSS with everyone. I'm going to "try" and tackle it this weekend. It's sounds so intriguing and complex. LOVE, LOVE, THAT!! Can't wait to see u analyze this one Jess. <br /><br />Anyway-Have a nice Holiday. See everyone next year..Open Bookhttp://linkedinhollywood.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6620577442444975548.post-7432603118139319562011-12-29T17:13:03.966-08:002011-12-29T17:13:03.966-08:00OH wow OB! I love love love your post! And agree c...OH wow OB! I love love love your post! And agree completely with all of it! I never thought of it that way before. I mean I had a idea but it is wonderful seeing your POV and hearing it from another angle. It just goes to show you how much more deep this book really is. The fact that it has double meanings to everything is really interesting. I also like your description of why the Narrator created Tyler it is so true.<br /><br />And also I agree with the lack of responsibility in this country. But don't get ME started on that! LOL<br /><br />And OB don't worry about being behind on the TTSS I am only on page 93!Jesshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04275376464914810946noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6620577442444975548.post-52006342802313214642011-12-29T15:15:10.434-08:002011-12-29T15:15:10.434-08:00By the way I'm learning so much from all of u....By the way I'm learning so much from all of u. Please keep the great discussions coming. I like to be a fly on the wall as well..... <br /><br />I need to move on to our next book. I'm so behind....LOL!!Open Bookhttp://linkedinhollywood.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6620577442444975548.post-64704956994519456082011-12-29T15:01:08.252-08:002011-12-29T15:01:08.252-08:00LB-U are way too kind.....I was afraid my long res...LB-U are way too kind.....I was afraid my long response would not post. LOL!! <br /><br />LB-Love what u wrote here. "Service is the best way to "lose oneself" and not be so self-absorbed."<br /><br />I'm going to get that printed on a T-Shirt.Open Bookhttp://linkedinhollywood.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6620577442444975548.post-8152807679287467482011-12-29T13:57:28.001-08:002011-12-29T13:57:28.001-08:00OB,
STANDING OVATION!!!!!!! Why didn't I hav...OB,<br /><br />STANDING OVATION!!!!!!! Why didn't I have English teachers like you. I would have learned so much and been such a better critical thinker. I am learning so much from all of you. <br /><br />Thank you for sharing your ideas!<br /><br />I have to agree about your final paragraph. Lack of responsibility is rampant in this country. It is ALWAYS someone else's fault economically or socially. It has created huge problems, but fortunately there are enough people in this world who do take charge and own up to their mistakes. Service is the best way to "lose oneself" and not be so self-absorbed. <br /><br />Again, terrific post OB!PTSS/LBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02170378760779707707noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6620577442444975548.post-1002506960434298182011-12-29T12:28:06.673-08:002011-12-29T12:28:06.673-08:00THE ABYSS: PART 1
By using pop cultural symbols t...THE ABYSS: PART 1<br /><br />By using pop cultural symbols throughout the film D. Fincher makes FC relatable. We see the bigger picture as well as the myopic ones through this process. As the author tries to isolate the Narrator’s problems he alienates the reader. This is why the book frustrates the reader. In other words, the focus on the narrator’s madness overrides the rich philosophical subtexts that co-exist simultaneously in the book. <br /><br />However, Fincher can and does bookend a films structural narrative very well IMO! In FC the opening credits begin with an animated tour of the inner workings of the narrators mind then we open up onto Tyler’s POV. Using a non-linear structure to tell the story we meet the narrator at the end of his demise, which captivates audiences interest. BRILLIANT!!! <br /><br />THE ABYSS: PART 2<br /><br />In the movie the Art Direction was subtlety orchestrated to convey the narrator’s present reality. For example the IKEA shopping spree montage illustrated assimilation, overindulgence and the irresponsible consumerism of the 1990’s. <br /><br />Historical Side Bar: Remember the Seattle, Washington protest by activist against the World Trade Organization in 1999? They believed the WTO agenda would contribute to widening the socioeconomic gap between the rich and the poor while it claims to be fixing it and increasing world hunger, disease and death? The WTO would make us reliant on cheap imports, instead of investing in local business. Our dependency on cheap mass products causes us to consume more energy and create more waste? A good doc by PBS explains the economic concept it’s called “Fixing the Future” http://www.pbs.org/now/fixing-the-future/economics.html. <br />Anyway, in FC the Yin-Yang coffee table is symbolic for how things work in society for example our debt ridden impulsive spending habits turn us into slaves to credit card companies and the Narrator’s materialistic self-absorbed attitude shows his lack of concern for the world around him meaning his actions are creating his nightmares. Tyler is created to relieve him of taking responsibility for his actions. The reason the narrator can persuade other men to join his organization because he sells them on the idea of resisting corporate America by reactive instead of proactive. Meaning we can still work and buy products from corporate America without making any real sacrifices in our own life. The Narrator promotes FC, using severe reactionary techniques to distract attention away from what’s really going on. However, this method eventually makes men into victims due to their un-willingness to take responsibility. This is where the irony comes in. They trade one dictator for another. <br /><br />In the big picture what FC is definitively saying: We as individuals have to take responsibility for our own actions and stop passing the buck, our actions are relative to the world around us. Being too self absorbed in ones own life makes us vulnerable. In other words don’t give away your authority to escape your present reality (be it external or internal) otherwise expect to continually be victimized. Blowing up credit card companies will not rid us of our debt.Open Bookhttp://linkedinhollywood.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6620577442444975548.post-85082764014614113672011-12-28T19:19:56.360-08:002011-12-28T19:19:56.360-08:00Oh and OB do not worry about your anal rentitive w...Oh and OB do not worry about your anal rentitive world of nerdiness. I am exactly the same way. My friends know not to get me started on certain discussions! LOL you saw my novels above. :-)Jesshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04275376464914810946noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6620577442444975548.post-44117605446509475552011-12-28T19:13:38.301-08:002011-12-28T19:13:38.301-08:00LB No he didn't. That part was interesting. He...LB No he didn't. That part was interesting. He actually went to his boss at the hotel where he caters. And he starts beating himself up. Where as Tyler out talked his way out of getting out of the projection job. And what he gets and everything. So really the scene in the book was mixed into Tyler and the Narrator and changed in the movie.<br />Because in the book Narrator still has his main job and goes. Until Tyler kills his boss. There were some things that they changed in the movie that I found odd. And usually I don't like drastic changes. Such as when Tyler and Narrator go to the convenience store and hold up that guy and tell him to become a vet. That happend in the book waaay after Project Mayhem. And it was the Narrator to try and get Tyler back he did his bidding still. <br />So there was some mixes and matches I didn't care for but it still came across way better in the movie by far!Jesshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04275376464914810946noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6620577442444975548.post-41303478913320486812011-12-28T15:45:28.017-08:002011-12-28T15:45:28.017-08:00Looking forward to it Open Book!
Jess, do you r...Looking forward to it Open Book! <br /><br />Jess, do you remember if in the book the narrator beats himself up in his bosses office? I'm too lazy to go find my book. :/<br /><br />Also, I find it so interesting, yet not shocking, that these "monkeys" join fight club because they are tired of their boring lives and doing what others tell them to do and yet they end up doing the EXACT SAME THING!! Seriously what is wrong with these people? They are like sheep who say they want to be independent and yet need someone telling them what to do. They don't think for themselves. <br /><br />Hmmmm....PTSS/LBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02170378760779707707noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6620577442444975548.post-90153810552550949452011-12-28T15:38:27.175-08:002011-12-28T15:38:27.175-08:00LB & Jess- Be careful of what u ask for? U are...LB & Jess- Be careful of what u ask for? U are venturing into the abyss of my anal rentitive world of nerdiness. LOL!! Hmm! Let me think and get back to u two later. I have so much to say! <br /><br /><br />High Five LB-U found your FC DVD.Open Bookhttp://linkedinhollywood.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6620577442444975548.post-41865599073767642262011-12-28T12:03:35.474-08:002011-12-28T12:03:35.474-08:00Sooooo...I found my FC dvd that has been under my ...Sooooo...I found my FC dvd that has been under my nose for the last month or so. "Idiot!". Making fun of LB commencing in 3...2...1 :)PTSS/LBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02170378760779707707noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6620577442444975548.post-11667267947424382962011-12-27T22:42:17.010-08:002011-12-27T22:42:17.010-08:00Ob I totally agree with that. I think that Palahni...Ob I totally agree with that. I think that Palahniuk should have touched more on what was going on around the Narrator. I would also love to hear your views! They are very interesting! And probably put more perspective on on what I think about the book!Jesshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04275376464914810946noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6620577442444975548.post-62533751782294064622011-12-27T15:08:56.887-08:002011-12-27T15:08:56.887-08:00No, no, no, OB, you can't do that! Please sha...No, no, no, OB, you can't do that! Please share your thoughts on the "philosophical current critical view of society" and "the art direction of this film." I'm not good with political vernacular, so hearing your thoughts might help me out. :)PTSS/LBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02170378760779707707noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6620577442444975548.post-57895956693571515102011-12-27T12:22:23.657-08:002011-12-27T12:22:23.657-08:00Wow! Jess....I'm impressed to say the least. I...Wow! Jess....I'm impressed to say the least. I love reading both u and LB's discussion here.<br /><br />So u finished the book! Congratulations...I have to agree it was not my favorite book but a very interesting concept. I liked the film better than the book. I think Fincher was more definitive about highlighting the narrator's real situation. He got right to the point yet respected the graphic edgy narrative. There was so much visual symbolic richness that supported the story. Ahhh!! I can go on about the art direction of this film. U don't want to get me started..... <br /><br />Now, I like the book for it's philosophical current critical view of society etc... However, IMO Chuck Palahniuk interest in chronicling all the narrators reasons for madness drowned out the more interesting views of the narrative. I guess it frustrated me. <br /><br />O.k. I'm going back to being a fly on the wall on this discussion. LOL!!Open Bookhttp://linkedinhollywood.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6620577442444975548.post-58972730257944907552011-12-23T19:55:38.210-08:002011-12-23T19:55:38.210-08:00STUPID LOST MOVIE! I haven't given up hope. ...STUPID LOST MOVIE! I haven't given up hope. Maybe when I put away all my Christmas stuff i will find it. :(PTSS/LBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02170378760779707707noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6620577442444975548.post-2482787570653771522011-12-23T19:49:51.743-08:002011-12-23T19:49:51.743-08:00OH I also wanted to touch on what we talked about ...OH I also wanted to touch on what we talked about before Bells. When you said did Pitt play Tyler well. <br />I was watching him last night and yes in the beginning he did. I think he got the witty sarcastic, arrogant, catty always has something to say person down. But when it came to the transformation of Tyler getting worse. No I think he lost it towards the end. I mean there were some glimpses of him being crazy. But Tyler was insane. He grew into more of a tyrant at at the end. And Brad was more of the bully I am going to get you arrogant person. SO yes he did great but did he capture Tyler in all his glory? No.Jesshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04275376464914810946noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6620577442444975548.post-78425821875135455672011-12-23T19:44:49.340-08:002011-12-23T19:44:49.340-08:00Ooooooohhhhhh, I LOVE IT!!!!Ooooooohhhhhh, I LOVE IT!!!!PTSS/LBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02170378760779707707noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6620577442444975548.post-47363214744330749172011-12-23T19:42:48.238-08:002011-12-23T19:42:48.238-08:00OH that makes sense too! The space monkeys have a ...OH that makes sense too! The space monkeys have a shaved head! It shows that he is so far invested in Project Mayhem! And in full control. Also I agree with the bully part. He becomes really mean to the Narrator. He does say in the movie "Look how far you have come because of ME!" Like crazy that a part of your brain would think that they helped you get to a point like that! Wow. And I noticed too in the movie the way the Narrator looks at Tyler. In a way he loves Tyler so much. It shows in the jealousy and the pain he faces when Tyler leaves. He is so attached to Tyler because Tyler is the person he needed in his life. A strong male influence in a way. SO he love him very much. Just interesting.Jesshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04275376464914810946noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6620577442444975548.post-66167982564558691622011-12-23T19:28:43.588-08:002011-12-23T19:28:43.588-08:00Wow! That is very interesting and fascinating. I...Wow! That is very interesting and fascinating. It also makes complete sense. I also see Tyler more as a bully now because he is doing whatever it takes to take full control. His shaved head is usually worn by those who are in authority. I think his last appearance is really portraying the authority he has at this point. He literally changed from crazy psycho, charmer to insane bully. <br /><br />I just added additional pics to show Tyler at the end of the film.PTSS/LBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02170378760779707707noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6620577442444975548.post-40972136137853207562011-12-23T19:17:46.584-08:002011-12-23T19:17:46.584-08:00Oh I am glad you asked me that. Last night when lo...Oh I am glad you asked me that. Last night when looking up Fight Club quotes I came aross this one from Edward Norton: <br />"We decided early on that I would start to starve myself as the film went on, while [Brad Pitt] would lift and go to tanning beds; he would become more and more idealized as I wasted away."<br /><br />I think at the peak of the Narrators crazy. He was wasting away while Tyler was at his best looking. So while the Narrator FINALLY found out that Tyler was him I think Tyler brought himself back down the the Narrators level. Does that make sense?? He wasn't as Hot anymore because the Narrator figured it out and knew so They were the same level now.Jesshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04275376464914810946noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6620577442444975548.post-85285738098131789032011-12-23T19:07:17.575-08:002011-12-23T19:07:17.575-08:00Jess, before I get to your amazing posts, I have a...Jess, before I get to your amazing posts, I have a question:<br /><br />Why do you think Tyler changed his appearance at the end of the film?PTSS/LBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02170378760779707707noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6620577442444975548.post-49680083345604991352011-12-22T21:17:01.860-08:002011-12-22T21:17:01.860-08:00Now the way the Author actually ended it was in a ...Now the way the Author actually ended it was in a way terrifying to me. Because what does one do when there is a power that is uncontrollable? What can one do really? Nothing and that is scary. The Author left it that the Narrator was in the hospital recovering but still getting letters from all the space monkeys who are STILL doing project mayhem! I mean really? Even the guys who work IN the hospital he is at are in the club. It has become too powerful now. NO way of stopping it because there are so many inside jobs now that you legit can't trust anyone! I mean in this world the Author left us in it can be taken over by these guys and will be. That made me think how horrifying this world is just by one man with two brains! I mean WOW. And he doesn't want to go back because he knows there is no normalcy anymore. It is overran and no way to stop it. That left soo many questions in my mind. Like whats going to happen NOW?? Is the world going to start another war? Mad max style I mean hmm just unanswered.<br /><br />And then you look at our world too which parallels this one. How just by starting someone that people love to do men in this case. And make it grow bigger and bigger until you get trust and then when you start spouting your crazy at them they just follow! How sad is our world to be so consumed with a need for life and excitement that we just lose all reason for madness. Fascinating.<br /><br />So the book was good. A real mind jerk but hey I liked it. Going to watch the movie tonight too. OH and I really liked the "Afterword that Chuck wrote. How he descried writing the book and it being a short story. Then hearing peoples actual opinions of what they thought the book was really about. I mean gay men in steam baths?? Really? I know people interpret different things but come on. he seems witty and funny and very gracious. I mean his book changed alot. It is worldwide known and hell I still quote some of the lines! But reading all of that I don't think I will eat at a catered event again where the waiters serve you your food.. Just to be safe.Jesshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04275376464914810946noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6620577442444975548.post-8803654350377787692011-12-22T21:16:13.188-08:002011-12-22T21:16:13.188-08:00Ok I finished the book! And overall I give it a 3 ...Ok I finished the book! And overall I give it a 3 1/2 or 4. It wasn't The best book I have ever read but it was interesting and different. The only thing I didn't really like was the graphic description of how they fought and what happend to them. Reading how his cheek gets tore open, and his teeth bite his tongue off ya I am good. No thanks. <br /><br />So for my opinion of the last 4 chapters. Wow on the part where he goes to work and finds out his boss is dead and Tyler/Him killed him. I mean that part was played out very well in my opinion. They didn't show that in the movie but I liked the way the Narrator describes why his boss died. He gave PERMISSION to Tyler to kill him. He said out loud that he wanted out of his job. The other personality took that to mean KILL the boss. I mean that is just incredible. The complete psychosis of that statement is so mind boggling! Its bad enough Tyler threatens both of their lives with something bad it the Narrator doesn't comply. But now because he gave Tyler a simple "I want out of my job" that gives Tyler the Idea that he has to kill his boss. Just trying to understand that is really hard. Its HIM the narrator! He is isn't even in control of his own body! And to be honest if you can't trust yourself who can you trust? I mean really?? <br /><br />When the Narrator stays on the bus and those guys try and castrate him that is the part I was referring to in the movie but he was at the airport. Somehow I didn't remember it and really thought they were going to take them off. But alas they didn't but for a second there I was worried. Now at the end I really didn't like how it came together. The movie beat that part out perfectly. I liked in the movie where the narrator has a fight with Tyler and then he finds out HE is holding the gun. The book went over that but not as directly it was more known. Does that make sense? Just that part was way better in the movie. I didn't like that Marla came in with her friends and tried to stop him. I did understand that the Narrator was feeling sooo lost and not understood. Because Tyler is him. Tyler killed these people not him. But I did like when Marla says she knows the difference. That was sweet.<br />In the movie it shows the Narrator actually killing Tyler. you don't see that in the book and when he does shoot himself he is then recovering in a Hospital. In the movie I loved how it ended. When Narrator and Marla hold hands watching all the buildings collapse and he says "Marla you met me a very strange time in my life" That imo was a very good ending.Jesshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04275376464914810946noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6620577442444975548.post-69634893227638889852011-12-21T20:22:05.059-08:002011-12-21T20:22:05.059-08:00I did want to touch a bit on what I have read rece...I did want to touch a bit on what I have read recently. I know I said 10 chapters but I HAVE to comment on 21 through 26 where I am now.<br /><br />When Tyler just leaves and the Narrator is trying to cope he is at his darkest still. But he still tries to get Tyler to come back. He takes the 12 drivers licenses and goes around asking about him and wondering where he is. He is heartbroken that he left. But he sees all the space monkeys getting more and more chaotic. Like his world that he made with Tyler is crumbling as well. And he isn't doing very well with it. <br />But I must say I liked the part where he is finally getting it.that Tyler may be him. When the bar guy tells him HE is Tyler and he starts to really think. And calls Marla. That part was more insightful then in the movie. To me anyways. Because Marla tells him yes you are Tyler and so on. But when Tyler shows up while the Narrator was in bed "Sleeping" As he calls it I think the movie did that better.<br /><br />Ok picking apart that whole scene where Tyler comes back. How interesting was that? He is mad that the Narrator was talking about Tyler behind his back. But when he tells Tyler while you are "Sleeping" he goes and does his own life through him. That is some really deep stuff right there. "Sleeping" How crazy is that. His side of his brain that is HIM goes into a blank state telling it to "sleep" while the Tyler part comes out and does his thing! That is fascinating to me. And very creepy. And if the Narrator tries to stop Tyler, Tyler will do something horrible to him or them. THAT is even creepier! Your OWN sick brain is threatening YOU! A vision that YOU Made up is telling you, the person who OWNS the body that it will harm the BOTH of you! And yo truly believe it!! WHAT? I mean that is sick and sooo twisted in itself! THAT is just WOW! When I read that I was shocked. Just amazed how completely far out there that is.<br /><br />So poor Narrator is trying to STOP Fight club and project mayhem and realizing that Tyler is in to deep! It doesn't matter if he invented it or not. The minions are too far gone in their brainwashed antics and cannot be stopped. Also in the book they told the Narrator that he SAID he would say to stop it and if he tries to rebel to kill him or something. But Idk if that part is in the book yet. I mean Tyler is not only crazy he also covered his tracks with steal! No matter what the minions are too far gone to stop now. And of course Tyler started them in most of the country too. Again the man is a evil genius! They would take over the world if they wanted. And it also poses the question how vulnerable are men?? these men. Most of them are older I am guessing Mid life crisis? They are not happy with the life they have made need more?? So join a cult?? Messed up really! <br /><br />Also I loved the part with Marla and she is talking to the Narrator. In the movie she wants him to get away from her. But I love that in the Book she is even funny. Talking about "One time I dated a guy who couldn't get enough piercings!" And she isn't bothered by the narrator having a split personality because that is something Marla is drawn to. Messed up men! It is obvious. And She wants to go shopping because Tyler gets free stuff. She is making the situation lighter for the Narrator who is losing his since of everything. She is good for him to stay grounded. And awake! Ok so off to the next chapters!Jesshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04275376464914810946noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6620577442444975548.post-29078743174401411962011-12-21T19:42:53.803-08:002011-12-21T19:42:53.803-08:00Wow! That is absolutely fascinating Jess!
As for ...Wow! That is absolutely fascinating Jess!<br /><br />As for our brains, I believe it holds all knowledge, but for other reasons that I won't go into here, we are only given a certain amount to use. Some get more than others, but I believe its all part of a design.PTSS/LBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02170378760779707707noreply@blogger.com